Monday, September 10, 2012
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More of an Outcast than a Seagull at an Adam Sandler Movie-- special blessing 8. Forgiveness of Sins and how it MUST happen, because God Himself say’s so.
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Protestant Theology & Catholic Doctrines
Exposed to cover & discover the “Naked Truth“... Catholic responses to the Booklet: “Answers to my Catholic Friends” by Thomas F. Heinze part 3
A Catholic reply to Protestant “[mis]- Understandings” Part 3
“WHERE Do the Differences Between Catholics and Come From?”
Second; on the issue of “authority.” Thomas [and most Protestants] are not recognizing what the Bible ACTUALLY say’s about the Catholic Church teachings Authoritatively, because it alone is Christ Own Church, and the One set of faith-beliefs taught and protected by God himself. The issue is further solidified by the fact that the Bible remains a Catholic Book, in collection, and in origin of the entire New Testament which explains then why God ONLY guides the CC in granting His “FULL TRUTH“, and CORRECT UNDERSTANDING of His Word.
It is extremely important; even vital to recognize that the Protestant claim that the bible; for them, “acts for “as their “god,” This is based on a complete and total falsehood. Because God” is not with them in the same manner He IS with us Catholics. The Bible Alone” then acts as the “only and final authority“, leading Protestants to consistent errors and numerous disagreements within even there own non-catholic ranks.” YET that same “final authority” is NOT fully accepted, and is often rejected, with amazing consistently, as “common self- selectively” is regularly applied on all of their following positions which are taught in the Bible.
1. Only One God; Only One set of Faith beliefs, and Only one church approved, guided and guarded organization as was set up by Christ. [John 14:16-17; John 17:15-19; John 20-19-22; Matt. 28:16-20, Matt. 16:18-19].
2. The Primacy of Peter. Jesus gave the key’s to heavens access to Peter and the CC alone.
3. The denial of the proper place and absolute need for the CC as The Primary and Guided Teacher chosen by God
It ought not be a surprise that each of Thomas’ positions is based on a continuation of secular-humanistic-logic. Completely unguided by the Holy Spirit. There can only be a single truth per issue [applying logic here], so the position of Thomas seems to be that there was no biblical truth prior to the formation of our Brethren’s Protestant faith’s [plural], and there newly discovered and uncovered “truths‘ after a period of about ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED YEARS of ONLY one Faith; the Faith of the Catholic Church. Their first error is again; denial of Christ in the Eucharist, and the FACT that as Jesus Himself assures us; “I AM God and I AM Present“, He therefore deserves and commands the place of honor afforded to Him in Catholic Practice. That is why the altar if Sacrifice in located front and center. God becomes Preset on it!
Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Protestants & The Papacy (Part 2 of 2)
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Some people claim to be born-again Christians, but they still faithfully attend the Catholic Church. Why? They are eating at the Devil's table. 2nd Corinthians 6:16, "And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?" I say this caringly.
The Catholic religion is demonic! One of the great sins of Christians today is that they are so silent concerning the monstrosity of Catholicism. In 2002, 24% of all Americans professed to be Catholic. 1
Catholics commit the horrible sin of IDOLATRY when they bow before a statue of Mary. Exodus 20:4-5a commands, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them..." Catholics commit the sin of idolatry every time they bow and pray to Mary. Why would a Christian want to continue in such wickedness?
Although many Catholics attempt to deny that they worship Mary, the Vatican's teaching concerning Our Lady of Fatima is irrefutable PROOF that Catholics DO in fact worship Mary, even teaching that eternal life is possible by coming to Mary by way of praying the Rosary. The 5th of the 15 promises made by Our Lady of Fatima concerning the Rosary is so blasphemous that it is unmistakable, clear, proof that Catholics do indeed worship Mary (which is sinful idolatry). Here's the 5th promise...
"The soul which recommends itself to Me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish."
Blasphemy!!! You cannot show me even one Scripture from the Word of God where we are told to trust in Mary, by reciting the Rosary to be saved. In fact, the word "Rosary" is NOT a Bible term. The Rosary is straight out of the pits of Hell. Jesus condemned vain repetition in Matthew 6:7. According to Our Lady of Fatima (whose teachings are officially sanctioned by the Vatican), a person can obtain eternal life through Mary by reciting the Rosary. In sharp contrast, Jesus Christ proclaimed in John 14:6... "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
How could Catholics be so arrogant, so blind, and so apostate as to believe that salvation is found in Mary? Jesus tells us the answer in Mark 7:9, "Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition." People remain in the Catholic religion because THEY CHOOSE TO, period, even in full knowledge that they are going against the Word of God. God will judge them! Just as the Pharisees of Jesus' time CHOSE to follow the hellish religion of Judaism instead of Biblical Christianity, so do Catholics CHOOSE to follow the Satanic Catholic faith instead of the Bible. I tell you, Catholicism is of the Devil.
If you're worshipping within the Catholic faith, then you might as well be over in India worshipping a potato!
Catholic priests are infamous for discouraging people from reading the Word of God. They don't want anyone thinking for themselves. But Jesus commanded us in John 5:39, "SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life." What precious Scriptures! Jesus told the crowd to SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES, and in so doing they would learn how to have eternal life; but by rejecting the Scriptures, they had refused God's plan of salvation. Is this not exactly what Catholics are guilty of? Yes, that is exactly so! Catholics adhere to a FALSE gospel of self-righteousness and sacramental rituals.
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The Catholic religion is demonic! One of the great sins of Christians today is that they are so silent concerning the monstrosity of Catholicism. In 2002, 24% of all Americans professed to be Catholic. 1
Catholics commit the horrible sin of IDOLATRY when they bow before a statue of Mary. Exodus 20:4-5a commands, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them..." Catholics commit the sin of idolatry every time they bow and pray to Mary. Why would a Christian want to continue in such wickedness?
Although many Catholics attempt to deny that they worship Mary, the Vatican's teaching concerning Our Lady of Fatima is irrefutable PROOF that Catholics DO in fact worship Mary, even teaching that eternal life is possible by coming to Mary by way of praying the Rosary. The 5th of the 15 promises made by Our Lady of Fatima concerning the Rosary is so blasphemous that it is unmistakable, clear, proof that Catholics do indeed worship Mary (which is sinful idolatry). Here's the 5th promise...
"The soul which recommends itself to Me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish."
Blasphemy!!! You cannot show me even one Scripture from the Word of God where we are told to trust in Mary, by reciting the Rosary to be saved. In fact, the word "Rosary" is NOT a Bible term. The Rosary is straight out of the pits of Hell. Jesus condemned vain repetition in Matthew 6:7. According to Our Lady of Fatima (whose teachings are officially sanctioned by the Vatican), a person can obtain eternal life through Mary by reciting the Rosary. In sharp contrast, Jesus Christ proclaimed in John 14:6... "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
How could Catholics be so arrogant, so blind, and so apostate as to believe that salvation is found in Mary? Jesus tells us the answer in Mark 7:9, "Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition." People remain in the Catholic religion because THEY CHOOSE TO, period, even in full knowledge that they are going against the Word of God. God will judge them! Just as the Pharisees of Jesus' time CHOSE to follow the hellish religion of Judaism instead of Biblical Christianity, so do Catholics CHOOSE to follow the Satanic Catholic faith instead of the Bible. I tell you, Catholicism is of the Devil.
If you're worshipping within the Catholic faith, then you might as well be over in India worshipping a potato!
Catholic priests are infamous for discouraging people from reading the Word of God. They don't want anyone thinking for themselves. But Jesus commanded us in John 5:39, "SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life." What precious Scriptures! Jesus told the crowd to SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES, and in so doing they would learn how to have eternal life; but by rejecting the Scriptures, they had refused God's plan of salvation. Is this not exactly what Catholics are guilty of? Yes, that is exactly so! Catholics adhere to a FALSE gospel of self-righteousness and sacramental rituals.
To read full article click below:
http://www.lumelonline.net/articles/2010/june/09/eating-at-the-devils-table/
To read related article click below:
http://www.lumelonline.net/articles/2010/may/26/purgatory-purifying-fire-or-f...
To watch related video click below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_rwt5N5ig0
To download audio sermons & christian hymns visit:
http://www.oldpathschristianity.com/downloads/
and/or:
http://www.lumelonline.net/sermons/downloads/
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Church History in 5 Minutes-- According to the Church of Rome and Patrick j Miron , all Protestants are heretics and anathema
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The ignorance of the average Protestant concerning the teachings of the Roman Church is astonishing. Many Protestants express surprise at some of the errors that can be pointed out in this unscriptural system. It is also surprising to find how many Roman Catholics are totally ignorant concerning many of the doctrines of their own Church.
According to the Church of Rome, all Protestants are heretics and anathema. The Church of Rome claims that it alone is the true church and that there is no salvation outside it. This is sometimes denied by Roman Catholics, but is abundantly documented by the statements and decrees of Popes and church councils. Too few of us here in Northern Ireland see Romanism in its true light, despite having been some of the most tragic victims of its tactics for centuries.
As long as there is not a Roman Catholic majority in any country, Rome can carefully disguise her true aims and beliefs. If you want to see Rome as it really is, just step across the border into the Irish Republic or go to Mexico, Spain or any other predominantly Roman Catholic country. Ask the missionaries who have laboured and suffered in these lands. Non-Roman-Catholics are accursed by the Church of Rome.
The vast majority of the doctrines and beliefs of the Church of Rome have no basis whatsoever in the Bible. They were added at a later date, contrary to the clear warning of the Bible in Revelation 22:18. Here is a list of the main unscriptural doctrines and the dates on which they were made official. All Roman Catholics are forced to accept them without question:
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According to the Church of Rome and Patrick j Miron , all Protestants are heretics and anathema
The ignorance of the average Protestant concerning the teachings of the Roman Church is astonishing. Many Protestants express surprise at some of the errors that can be pointed out in this unscriptural system. It is also surprising to find how many Roman Catholics are totally ignorant concerning many of the doctrines of their own Church.
According to the Church of Rome, all Protestants are heretics and anathema. The Church of Rome claims that it alone is the true church and that there is no salvation outside it. This is sometimes denied by Roman Catholics, but is abundantly documented by the statements and decrees of Popes and church councils. Too few of us here in Northern Ireland see Romanism in its true light, despite having been some of the most tragic victims of its tactics for centuries.
As long as there is not a Roman Catholic majority in any country, Rome can carefully disguise her true aims and beliefs. If you want to see Rome as it really is, just step across the border into the Irish Republic or go to Mexico, Spain or any other predominantly Roman Catholic country. Ask the missionaries who have laboured and suffered in these lands. Non-Roman-Catholics are accursed by the Church of Rome.
The vast majority of the doctrines and beliefs of the Church of Rome have no basis whatsoever in the Bible. They were added at a later date, contrary to the clear warning of the Bible in Revelation 22:18. Here is a list of the main unscriptural doctrines and the dates on which they were made official. All Roman Catholics are forced to accept them without question:
- The daily mass, 394 A.D.
- The doctrine of purgatory (Pope Gregory), 593 A.D.
- Prayers to the Virgin, Queen of Heaven, 600 A.D.
- The first Pope (Boniface III), 610 A.D.
- Kissing the Pope's foot began in 709 A.D.
- Temporal power of the Pope declared in 750 A.D.
- Worship of images, relics and cross, 788 A.D.
- Holy water, blessed by a priest, 850 A.D.
- Veneration of St. Joseph, 890 A.D.
- Canonisation of dead saints (Pope John XV), 995 A.D.
- Lent and Good Friday began in 998 A.D.
- The mass declared to be a sacrifice of Christ, 1050 A.D.
- Celibacy of the priesthood and nuns, 1079 A.D.
- The rosary introduced by Peter the Hermit, 1090 A.D.
- Selling indulgences began in 1190 A.D.
- Doctrine of transubstantiation adopted in 1215 A.D.
- Confession of sins to human priest, 1215 A.D.
- Adoration of the water (Pope Honorius), 1220 A.D.
- Interpretation of Bible forbidden to laity, 1229 A.D.
- Scapular declared a charm against dangers, 1287 A.D.
- Communion under one kind, 1414 A.D.
- Seven sacraments declared, 1439 A.D.
- Superstitions of the Ave Maria (Pope Sextus V), 1508 A.D.
- Tradition established as infallible authority, 1545 A.D.
- Apocryphal books added to the Bible, 1546 A.D.
- Immaculate conception of the Virgin Mary, 1854 A.D.
- Infallibility of the Popes, 1870 A.D.
- Mary declared to be the Mother of God, 1931 A.D.
- Assumption (translation) of the Virgin Mary, 1950 A.D.
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Top Council of Trent
(154563) 19th ecumenical council of the Roman Catholic church, which made sweeping reforms and laid down dogma clarifying nearly all doctrines contested by the Protestants.
Convened by Pope Paul III at Trento in northern Italy, it served to revitalize Roman Catholicism in many parts of Europe.
In its first period (154547) it accepted the Nicene Creed as the basis of Catholic faith, fixed the canon of the Old and New Testaments, set the number of sacraments at seven, and defined the nature and consequences of original sin; it also ruled against Martin Luther's doctrine of justification by faith.
In its second period (155152) it confirmed the doctrine of transubstantiation and issued decrees on episcopal jurisdiction and clerical discipline. In the final period (156263) it defined the mass as a true sacrifice and issued statements on several other doctrinal issues.
By the end of the 16th century, many of the abuses that had motivated the Protestant Reformation had disappeared, and the church had reclaimed many of its European
Friday, June 15, 2012
The Origin of False Doctrines
The Origin of False Doctrines The History and Falsehoods of Romanism
Professor CAM Noble
The ignorance of the average Protestant concerning the teachings of the Roman Church is astonishing. Many Protestants express surprise at some of the errors that can be pointed out in this unscriptural system. It is also surprising to find how many Roman Catholics are totally ignorant concerning many of the doctrines of their own Church.
According to the Church of Rome, all Protestants are heretics and anathema. The Church of Rome claims that it alone is the true church and that there is no salvation outside it. This is sometimes denied by Roman Catholics, but is abundantly documented by the statements and decrees of Popes and church councils. Too few of us here in Northern Ireland see Romanism in its true light, despite having been some of the most tragic victims of its tactics for centuries.
As long as there is not a Roman Catholic majority in any country, Rome can carefully disguise her true aims and beliefs. If you want to see Rome as it really is, just step across the border into the Irish Republic or go to Mexico, Spain or any other predominantly Roman Catholic country. Ask the missionaries who have laboured and suffered in these lands. Non-Roman-Catholics are accursed by the Church of Rome.
The vast majority of the doctrines and beliefs of the Church of Rome have no basis whatsoever in the Bible. They were added at a later date, contrary to the clear warning of the Bible in Revelation 22:18. Here is a list of the main unscriptural doctrines and the dates on which they were made official. All Roman Catholics are forced to accept them without question:
Professor CAM Noble
The ignorance of the average Protestant concerning the teachings of the Roman Church is astonishing. Many Protestants express surprise at some of the errors that can be pointed out in this unscriptural system. It is also surprising to find how many Roman Catholics are totally ignorant concerning many of the doctrines of their own Church.
According to the Church of Rome, all Protestants are heretics and anathema. The Church of Rome claims that it alone is the true church and that there is no salvation outside it. This is sometimes denied by Roman Catholics, but is abundantly documented by the statements and decrees of Popes and church councils. Too few of us here in Northern Ireland see Romanism in its true light, despite having been some of the most tragic victims of its tactics for centuries.
As long as there is not a Roman Catholic majority in any country, Rome can carefully disguise her true aims and beliefs. If you want to see Rome as it really is, just step across the border into the Irish Republic or go to Mexico, Spain or any other predominantly Roman Catholic country. Ask the missionaries who have laboured and suffered in these lands. Non-Roman-Catholics are accursed by the Church of Rome.
The vast majority of the doctrines and beliefs of the Church of Rome have no basis whatsoever in the Bible. They were added at a later date, contrary to the clear warning of the Bible in Revelation 22:18. Here is a list of the main unscriptural doctrines and the dates on which they were made official. All Roman Catholics are forced to accept them without question:
- The daily mass, 394 A.D.
- The doctrine of purgatory (Pope Gregory), 593 A.D.
- Prayers to the Virgin, Queen of Heaven, 600 A.D.
- The first Pope (Boniface III), 610 A.D.
- Kissing the Pope's foot began in 709 A.D.
- Temporal power of the Pope declared in 750 A.D.
- Worship of images, relics and cross, 788 A.D.
- Holy water, blessed by a priest, 850 A.D.
- Veneration of St. Joseph, 890 A.D.
- Canonisation of dead saints (Pope John XV), 995 A.D.
- Lent and Good Friday began in 998 A.D.
- The mass declared to be a sacrifice of Christ, 1050 A.D.
- Celibacy of the priesthood and nuns, 1079 A.D.
- The rosary introduced by Peter the Hermit, 1090 A.D.
- Selling indulgences began in 1190 A.D.
- Doctrine of transubstantiation adopted in 1215 A.D.
- Confession of sins to human priest, 1215 A.D.
- Adoration of the water (Pope Honorius), 1220 A.D.
- Interpretation of Bible forbidden to laity, 1229 A.D.
- Scapular declared a charm against dangers, 1287 A.D.
- Communion under one kind, 1414 A.D.
- Seven sacraments declared, 1439 A.D.
- Superstitions of the Ave Maria (Pope Sextus V), 1508 A.D.
- Tradition established as infallible authority, 1545 A.D.
- Apocryphal books added to the Bible, 1546 A.D.
- Immaculate conception of the Virgin Mary, 1854 A.D.
- Infallibility of the Popes, 1870 A.D.
- Mary declared to be the Mother of God, 1931 A.D.
- Assumption (translation) of the Virgin Mary, 1950 A.D.
All non-Romanists declared 'Heretics'
All non-Romanists declared 'Heretics' The History and Falsehoods of Romanism
Professor CAM Noble
According to the Church of Rome, all Protestants are heretics and anathema. Rome claims it alone is the true church and that there is no salvation outside it. This is sometimes denied by Roman Catholics, but is abundantly documented by the statements and decrees of Popes and Church Councils.
Romanism is not seen in its true light in the United Kingdom or in the United States. As long as the majority in a country does not consist of Roman Catholics, the Church can carefully disguise its true aims and beliefs.
If you want to see Rome as it really is, just live in the Irish Republic, go to Spain or Italy, or step across the border into Mexico. Ask the missionaries of the Gospel who have laboured and suffered in these countries.
Non-Roman-Catholics are accursed by the Church of Rome. She does not recognise a marriage outside the Roman Church as legitimate, thereby making all married Protestants adulterers and their children bastards. No marriage outside the Roman Church is recognised as valid. If any readers should be inclined to doubt this, we submit herewith the contract which every non-Roman-Catholic who wishes to marry a Roman Catholic is required to sign. The Roman Church will marry a non-Roman-Catholic to a Roman Catholic (by a priest), but only upon the condition that the following contract be signed by the non-Roman-Catholic. The contract will speak for itself:
"I [the non-Roman-Catholic party] therefore agree:
We believe the above contract speaks for itself as to the true nature of Romanism. We want, however, to make ourselves clear that our quarrel is not with individual members of the Roman Church, but with the false, political, religious, ecclesiastical system. We love every Roman Catholic and would win every one to Christ. This series on the falsehoods of Rome is written not only to inform non-Roman-Catholics about the deceptions of that Church (the harlot of Revelation 17) but also to seek to show Roman Catholics what their Church really believes.
Many Roman Catholics themselves do not know what their Church symbolizes. Its aim is to keep its members in ignorance of what the Word of God really teaches. Christ died for Roman Catholics and Protestants alike, and we would point them to the Saviour of all mankind
Professor CAM Noble
According to the Church of Rome, all Protestants are heretics and anathema. Rome claims it alone is the true church and that there is no salvation outside it. This is sometimes denied by Roman Catholics, but is abundantly documented by the statements and decrees of Popes and Church Councils.
Romanism is not seen in its true light in the United Kingdom or in the United States. As long as the majority in a country does not consist of Roman Catholics, the Church can carefully disguise its true aims and beliefs.
If you want to see Rome as it really is, just live in the Irish Republic, go to Spain or Italy, or step across the border into Mexico. Ask the missionaries of the Gospel who have laboured and suffered in these countries.
Non-Roman-Catholics are accursed by the Church of Rome. She does not recognise a marriage outside the Roman Church as legitimate, thereby making all married Protestants adulterers and their children bastards. No marriage outside the Roman Church is recognised as valid. If any readers should be inclined to doubt this, we submit herewith the contract which every non-Roman-Catholic who wishes to marry a Roman Catholic is required to sign. The Roman Church will marry a non-Roman-Catholic to a Roman Catholic (by a priest), but only upon the condition that the following contract be signed by the non-Roman-Catholic. The contract will speak for itself:
"I [the non-Roman-Catholic party] therefore agree:
- That I will not interfere in the least with the free exercise of the Catholic party's religion;
- That I will adhere to the sacred doctrine of the indissolubility of the marriage bond, so that I cannot contract a second marriage while my consort is still alive, even though a civil divorce has been obtained;
- That all the children, both boys and girls, that may be born of this union shall be baptized and educated solely in the faith of the Roman Catholic Church, even in the event of the death of my Catholic consort. In case of dispute I further hereby agree fully that the custody of all children shall be given to such guardians as assure this faithful execution of this covenant and promise, in the event that I cannot fulfil it myself;
- That I will lead a married life in conformity with the teachings of the Catholic Church regarding birth control, realizing fully the attitude of the Catholic Church in this regard;
- That no other marriage ceremony shall take place before or after this ceremony by the Catholic priest."
We believe the above contract speaks for itself as to the true nature of Romanism. We want, however, to make ourselves clear that our quarrel is not with individual members of the Roman Church, but with the false, political, religious, ecclesiastical system. We love every Roman Catholic and would win every one to Christ. This series on the falsehoods of Rome is written not only to inform non-Roman-Catholics about the deceptions of that Church (the harlot of Revelation 17) but also to seek to show Roman Catholics what their Church really believes.
Many Roman Catholics themselves do not know what their Church symbolizes. Its aim is to keep its members in ignorance of what the Word of God really teaches. Christ died for Roman Catholics and Protestants alike, and we would point them to the Saviour of all mankind
Sunday, June 10, 2012
DELUSIONAL ELDERS commentary of ministry of reconciliation with s patrick j Miron and a RC priest is a "Elder"
2 Corinthians 5:18-19:
“All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation;
Ed- Note
Patrick j miron is correct when he gave us, meaning everyone who is a follower this ministry.
but patrick j miron's application may be different than scripture.
Ed- Note
Patrick j miron is correct when he gave us, meaning everyone who is a follower this ministry.
but patrick j miron's application may be different than scripture.
that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation“.
ed-note
Again we see the distortion of scripture with Patrick J Miron,
because Paul said "Jesus Christ and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation, all of us, deciples. not just roman catholic priests.
ED-note patrick "quotes it differently"
Note that St. Paul says his is a ministry of reconciliation;
it is, therefore, not merely a message. He actually does a service in order for the people to get reconciled to God. This is only explicable by admitting that he acted as a confessor--that is, people came to him, confessed their sins, and he absolved them.
Again we see the distortion of scripture with Patrick J Miron,
because Paul said "Jesus Christ and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation, all of us, deciples. not just roman catholic priests.
ED-note patrick "quotes it differently"
Note that St. Paul says his is a ministry of reconciliation;
it is, therefore, not merely a message. He actually does a service in order for the people to get reconciled to God. This is only explicable by admitting that he acted as a confessor--that is, people came to him, confessed their sins, and he absolved them.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the Word of reconciliation.
2 Corinthians 2:10-11:
What I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence of Christ, to keep Satan from gaining the advantage over us; for we are not ignorant of his designs.
Wow! Here St. Paul says he has forgiven people's sins....
ed-note
the "Lord's Prayer" where it says's forgive us of our Trespasses as we forgive others" Bla, Bla,Bla
Patrick j Miron continues with :
and he even explains that this was in the name of Christ, that is, he was present in him. It was, then, not Paul himself who absolved, but Christ acting through Paul. The addendum "to keep Satan from gaining advantage over us" might beyond that actually indicate that Paul was aware of the graces that are obtained through the reception of the sacrament of Penance.
There is also an appeal to confession in 1 John 1:9:
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
St. John is very plain here. He says it flat out.
Once again Pat J miron doesn't seem to comprehend that God will forgive us with out having a Roman Catholic priest present.
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
St. John is very plain here. He says it flat out.
Once again Pat J miron doesn't seem to comprehend that God will forgive us with out having a Roman Catholic priest present.
James 5:14-16:
Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.
Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.
ed-note
Patrick J miron delusion with a priest : Here we have an example of forgiveness of God through a priest in action.
St. James tells us that, if we are sick,
Patrick J Miron ; main thesis, is that priests are elders and only they can be the channel for forgiveness.
Patrick J Miron ; main thesis, is that priests are elders and only they can be the channel for forgiveness.
we are to call for the priests (=elders) of the church.
Are all Elders priest's-- no not the case..
Are all Elders priest's-- no not the case..
The is a direct Delusion belief and commentary of Patrick j Miron.
(it is also related to John 20:19-22, where forgiving sin's is what a disciple can do)
By the prayer of that priest, the sick person's sins will be forgiven; that's what the text says plainly!! Then James goes on to say, "Confess your sins to one another."
The is another basic Error of Patrick J miron the scripture actually reads as follows
James 5:13-17
New Century Version (NCV)
The Power of Prayer
13 Anyone who is having troubles should pray. Anyone who is happy should sing praises.
14 Anyone who is sick should call the church's elders. They should pray for and pour oil on the person[a] in the name of the Lord.15
And the prayer that is said with faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will heal that person.
And if the person has sinned, the sins will be forgiven.
16 Confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so God can heal you.
When a believing person prays, great things happen.
17 Elijah was a human being just like us. He prayed that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the land for three and a half years!
And Just Who is the ELDERS.. ???
1.. When you look at the exegesis of the time , you will find out the "Sanhedrin " was one body the was considered to be the Elders
The greatest irony, and tragedy, of the Sanhedrin is that they were devout men who truly sought to obey God - but had become spiritually blinded by their own ambitions and traditions.
14 Anyone who is sick should call the church's elders..
1.. When you look at the exegesis of the time , you will find out the "Sanhedrin " was one body the was considered to be the Elders
The greatest irony, and tragedy, of the Sanhedrin is that they were devout men who truly sought to obey God - but had become spiritually blinded by their own ambitions and traditions.
14 Anyone who is sick should call the church's elders..
but what does scripture say?
Titus 1:5 ESV / 12 helpful votes
This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you—Acts 14:23 ESV / 12 helpful votes
And when they had appointed elders for them in every church, with prayer and fasting they committed them to the Lord in whom they had believed.Acts 20:17 ESV / 10 helpful votes
Now from Miletus he sent to Ephesus and called the elders of the church to come to him.Acts 11:30 ESV / 8 helpful votes
And they did so, sending it to the elders by the hand of Barnabas and Saul.1 Peter 5:1 ESV / 7 helpful votes
So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a partaker in the glory that is going to be revealed:Acts 20:28 ESV / 7 helpful votes
Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.Acts 16:4 ESV / 7 helpful votes
As they went on their way through the cities, they delivered to them for observance the decisions that had been reached by the apostles and elders who were in Jerusalem.Acts 15:2 ESV / 7 helpful votes
And after Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question.James 5:14 ESV / 6 helpful votes
Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
Titus 1:7 ESV / 6 helpful votes
For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain,Titus 1:6-9 ESV / 6 helpful votes
If anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.1 Timothy 3:2 ESV / 6 helpful votes
Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,1 Timothy 3:1-16 ESV / 5 helpful votes
The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? ...Philippians 1:1 ESV / 5 helpful votes
Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are at Philippi, with the overseers and deacons:Ephesians 4:11 ESV / 5 helpful votes
And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers,Acts 15:22 ESV / 5 helpful votes
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers,Acts 15:6 ESV / 5 helpful votes
The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter.Acts 15:4 ESV / 5 helpful votes
When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them.Footnotes:
- James 5:14 pour oil on the person Oil was used in the name of the Lord as a sign that the person was now set apart for God's special attention and care.
Patrick J Miron continues with his personal commentary on how this is applied in the Roman Catholic Church
Here, however, Protestants make the mistake of lifting the whole verse out of context by insisting that it means "everybody is to confess his/her sins to anybody." Not true. Let's stick with the context. It refers to the sick person confessing his/her sins to the priest and vice versa
(the priest can, after all, encourage the sick person to confess his/her sins by letting him/her know about some of his own sins). Thus, verse 16 concludes or summarizes the preceding verses.
Here for 1 brief moment Patrick J Miron gits it
(the priest can, after all, encourage the sick person to confess his/her sins by letting him/her know about some of his own sins). Thus, verse 16 concludes or summarizes the preceding verses.
Here for 1 brief moment Patrick J Miron gits it
The Bible itself, then, proves that God has given human beings the authority to absolve others from sins--not on their own authority, but as tools of God Most High.
Besides all of those biblical reasons, there are also a few reasons that quite simply appeal to logic. In his book Catholicism and Fundamentalism, Karl Keating notes five of them (pp.188-89). Let me list and explain each of them briefly.
We ought to receive the Sacrament of Penance because...
(1) It is the way Christ intended forgiveness to be sought
Jesus never engaded in doing vain acts. He would not have instituted this sacrament if he had wanted us to seek forgiveness by praying "straight to God," by simply not receiving it. Since we have seen, though, that Christ did institute this sacrament, i necessarily follows that he wants us to make practical use of it.
(2) You learn to be humble
It is always valuable to look for the reasons why people behave the way they do. Why do many people avoid confession? Because it is a humble experience to tell one's sins to a priest and be honest about one's sinfulness! Very often it is the case that people who do not want to go to confession do not go there not because they don't believe in the sacrament's theology, but rather because they're trying to escape their own sinfulness. But here we remember Christ's words: "Whoever humbles himself will be exalted" (Mt 23:12). It is, then, a very good idea to learn a lesson in humility by going to confession. The sacrament humbles us. Consequently, we shall be exalted.
It is always valuable to look for the reasons why people behave the way they do. Why do many people avoid confession? Because it is a humble experience to tell one's sins to a priest and be honest about one's sinfulness! Very often it is the case that people who do not want to go to confession do not go there not because they don't believe in the sacrament's theology, but rather because they're trying to escape their own sinfulness. But here we remember Christ's words: "Whoever humbles himself will be exalted" (Mt 23:12). It is, then, a very good idea to learn a lesson in humility by going to confession. The sacrament humbles us. Consequently, we shall be exalted.
(3) The penitent receives sacramental graces
By receiving the Sacrament of Reconciliation, certain graces are obtained which, quite naturally, are not received when confession is omitted. The sacrament restores our spiritual life and, with it, pours out the gifts of the Holy Spirit on us. Who would not want to take part in such an event?
(4) You have assurance of forgiveness
We have all probably doubted now and then whether God has forgiven a particular sin. Maybe we weren't contrite enough, sincere enough, or did not have the necessary faith. This confusion does not occur when one is absolved of one's sins by a priest, because if you are not properly sorry for your sins, you would not go to confession to begin with. Furthermore, you can be sure your transgressions have been blotted out because Christ himself, speaking through the priest, has said so.
(5) You can get advice on how to avoid future transgressions
Malachi 2:7 reminds us that "the lips of a priest should guard knowledge, and men should seek instruction from his mouth, for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts." After we have confessed our sins, we do not only get absolved from them, but we also obtain advice on how to behave, that is, what to do, what not to do, etc., in order to lead a spiritually good life. One can ask the priest questions about things that are unclear. Such is not an option for somebody who refuses to receive Reconciliation.
So, confession is very important for our spiritual life. The Bible teaches it, and it also follows from logic.
Jesus wants you to be as spiritually healthy as possible, and therefore he instituted this consoling and grace-giving sacrament. Now it's up to you to make use of it.
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